From Revelation To Operation! ... English & Spanish

What if the power you’re praying for is already alive in you—waiting for Christ’s identity to take root and grow? We pull back the curtain on how spiritual gifts actually mature, moving from a flash of revelation to steady, dependable operation. Rather than chasing techniques or isolated Scriptures, we trace a path that begins with identity, passes through formation, and results in a life where the Spirit flows because Jesus truly dwells in our hearts.

We explore why Romans 8, Galatians 2, and Ephesians 3 are not stand-alone slogans but a single story: the Spirit puts to death the old ways as Christ lives in us, and “exceeding abundantly” becomes real when our inner life is shaped by His presence. Along the way, we dig into the garden of Eden and manna in the wilderness as living metaphors. In Eden, God forms, plants, and causes growth where He walks with us. With manna, what looks abundant from a distance appears small up close—daily seed that trains trust. Both images reframe expectations: God shows us the end to anchor hope but starts with a seed that requires patient care.

If you’ve seen a bold vision—revival, healing, multiplication—expect God to address the inner ground first. He will shape attitude, peace, and humility to carry the weight of what’s coming. Gifts begin as grace in the heart and mature into operations that work, not sporadically but naturally, because they flow from relationship. We share testimonies of healings and baptisms, offer practical steps to nurture the seed, and challenge the mindset that tries to “buy” the kingdom with effort. Walking with the King outperforms any hack, and it restores joy where frustration once lived.

Ready to trade striving for presence and see your revelation become fruit? Listen now, share this with a friend who needs hope, and leave a quick review so more people can find the show. Subscribe for future conversations on identity, gifts, and the five-fold ministry, and tell us: what seed is God growing in you today?

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Transcript

Prayer And Welcome

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Oh, I plead the blood over our listeners today. I plead the blood over the viewers God on Facebook and YouTube. Hallelujah. Icayondo Lobo sata sidiondo lobo shata lobosanda or masia sacator masiono lolo lobo shata in the name of the Lord hallelujah marigat Icayondo lobo shatayasidiono lobo sata Eondora Masidi onakata yasiono lolo lobo shata halleluia marigarianda lobossi, Yosondorama sataya sakanda la bashataya si. In the name of the Lord, in the name of the Lord. Speak forth to your people today, God. He'll strengthen, empower your people today, God. He and the la boshataya si on no lobo sata, Ikayo no ya si di ondo lolo lobo sha taya sanda. In the name of the Lord. Hallelujah. Well, praise the Lord, everybody, and welcome to another exciting episode of Apostolic Mentoring.

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Bienvenidos a todos les damos a este gran episodio de Mentoría Apostolica en este Día.

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I greet you in the mighty name of Jesus from Columbus, Ohio today. So excited to be with our dear friends in Kalamazoo, Michigan, uh on Sunday.

Testimonies From Kalamazoo Revival

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Wow, Sister Aldret, great job! Woo! I didn't think we were gonna get through that. I know nice job. But we were with our dear friends in Kalamazoo. We had a great outpouring of the Holy Ghost there.

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Many healings and people baptized.

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In that wonderful name of Jesus, the only saving name. Hallelujah. And I'm so excited about just this great and growing partnership of faith all around the world. Brother Trond from Norway has already put in the chat that Sister Aldred is doing a great job. Did you get that, Brother Trond? She didn't even say your name right, and you love her so much.

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He knows, he knows.

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That is awesome about her. That is her pronunciation is just awesome. That was the voice of Brother Trond in Norway. He wanted to affirm his favorite translator. Every time I pick on her on live uh broadcast, he gets on to me. He doesn't even speak Spanish. He doesn't even know if she's doing good, but it's his favorite person. Lori loves Sister Aldret. She always does such a great job on apostolic mentoring. I said I love Sister Aldret, not Sister Robinet. I do love Sister Robinet. But we are so thrilled to be on Apostolic Mentoring today. We sure love all of you, and what a joy it is to be a part of this mission together. And so many great things are happening all around the world. I do want to just say Apostolic Mentoring is about to finalize its very first sponsor and partnership. And we're going to let you know about that in the next two or three weeks. But I'm so excited because it's going to be a blessing to the kingdom.

Community Shoutouts And Sponsor Tease

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Those who are buying homes or want to refinance their homes. Because of their partnership with Apostolic Mentoring.

Why Identity Precedes Gifts

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Because we are living in the last days.

Revelation As Seed And Formation

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Because once we know Christ. You can know what miracles are for.

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But that's different than knowing how miracles work. Let me give you an example in Romans chapter 8, verse 13. And I'm going to read the scripture for us.

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For if you live according to the flesh, you will die. But if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

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So here in this scripture we are told what the Spirit is for. And everyone listening to this teaching believes this. By the Spirit we put to death the behaviors of the sinful body. This is what the Spirit does. But before Paul writes this one single verse. And these chapters are discussing spiritual identity. Era más enseñanza de cómo el Spiritu trabaja than there was on what the Spirit does. You can only operate puedes operar at the level of your identity. And when I say your identity, I am really saying Christ's identity. Because his life is in you. So your identity isn't really yours, it's his. Whatever is revealed to you

Eden And Manna: Growth By Presence

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about Christ.

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Because you are one in him.

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Revelation must become.

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Revelation is like the seed.

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La revelation is como el mar. But the Christ's identity formed in you is the fruit. And when you have fruit. Spiritual gifts automatically flow. Los dones del Espíritu Santo automáticamente fluyen. They will automatically work. Ellos automáticamente trabajan. Through Christ's identity. In my early years of church planning, I could never figure out how miracles kept happening. And they are powerfully used of God. But if you ask them, how do you do it? Many of them will tell you. I just believe in Christ. And I take him at his word and it just happens. What they are saying is this.

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It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. In the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me.

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Galatians 2, verse 20. Bear with me.

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I get there. Here it is. Now, if we were to observe these wonderful men and women of God, from the very beginning of their ministry, we would quickly realize they received a revelation about Christ at some point. And that revelation was a seed. Everything in the kingdom begins in seed form. The reason the Lord uses seed form. So everything in the kingdom of God starts as a formation process.

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God loves growing with people.

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The Lord loves nurturing people. It is the nature of God to love. So verses four and five and eight and nine.

Seeing The End First, Starting With Seed

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For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground. Verse eight and nine. The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there he put the man whom he had formed. Verse nine says, And out of the ground the Lord caused every tree to grow.

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Estos son los orígenes de los cielos y de la tierra. Cuando fueron creados el día que Jehová Dios hizo la tierra y los cielos, y toda planta del campo antes de que fuesen la tierra, y toda hierba del campo antes de que naciese, porque Jehová Dios aún no había hecho llover sobre la tierra, ni había hombre para que labrase la tierra, sino que subía de la tierra un vapor, el cual regaba toda la faz de la tierra. Entonces Jehová formó al hombre del polvo de la tierra y sopló en su nariz. But el 8 dice Jehová, Dios plantó en Huerto en Eden al oriente y puso allí al hombre que había formado. Y Jehová, Dios, hizo nacer de la tierra todo árbol delicioso a la vista y bueno para comer. You look closely at verse five. Everything was in place.

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Notice how the narrative changes in verses eight through nine.

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Stepped into the garden. Then the Lord calls things to grow. Wherever Christ's identity is present, donde quiera que la identidad de Cristo está presente, the Spirit automatically flows.

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You and I do not have to try to make the gifts work.

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As long as there is Christ's identity, the Spirit will flow. In this season of 2026, is because God is causing. So that you can step into the earth. Not as the first Adam. But as the second Adam. Not as yourself.

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But in Christ Jesus. So that the power of life.

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This is the same principle the Lord was teaching Israel. When they were gathering manna in the wilderness.

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And then verse 30 to 31.

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You're doing chabajo, Amana. You are very patient with me with the numbers.

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All right. Exodus 16, 13 through 15, and then verses 30 to 31. So it was that quails came up at evening and it covered the camp in the morning. The dew lay all around the camp. And when the layer of dew lifted, there on the surface of the wilderness was a small round substance as fine as frost on the ground. So when the children of Israel they saw it, they said one to another, What is this? For they did not know what they were seeing. And Moses said to them, This is the bread which the Lord has given you to eat. My God, if there was a translation, I would take some rather trip. My God, hallelujah. Verse 30. So the people rested on the seventh day in the house of Israel called its name. I there was some identity. In the taste of it, it was sweet like honey. Good luck, sis.

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Exodus 16, 13 and 14 dice, y venida la tarde. Subieron los codornices que cubrieron el campamento, anda descendió Rocío en the redord del campamento. Ando cesó de descender, aquí sobre la faz del desierto, una cosa menuda, redonda, menuda como una escarcha sobre la tierra. Y viéndole, los hijos de Israel se dijeron unos a otros: ¿Qué es esto? Porque no sabían qué era. Entonces Moisés les dijo: Es el pan que Jehová os ha dado para comer. Y esto es lo que Jehová ha mandado. Entonces, el verso treinta nos dice, siguiendo la escritura, dice el verso treinta y treinta y uno. Dice: Mirar que Jehová os dio el día de reposo, y por eso, en el sexto día, os da pan para dos días. Este pues cada uno en su lugar, y nadie salga de él el séptimo día. Así el pueblo reposo el céltimo día, y la casa de Israel la llamó Maná, y era como semilla de culantro, blanco, y su sabor como de hojuelas de miel. So when Israel would wake up in the morning. That was stretched across the ground. It looked like an abundance from a distance.

Grace, Gifts, And Operations

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But as they got closer to what they saw. It looked like little seeds. When you receive a revelation, you are seeing the result of a spiritual process.

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You are seeing what the process is going to bring forth.

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The Lord always shows the end first. He never shows where it begins. This is the reason many people get stuck at the gifts of the Spirit. You heard something in prayer. The Lord revealed something wonderful to you. That revelation entered your spirit. And such wonderful hope swept through you. You had such great joy. You saw it so clearly and you were shouting. I know what my God can do.

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I know what my God is going to do. And it was in that moment you trusted.

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We keep trying.

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The reason this happens, child of God.

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It's because he will show you the end first. The Lord doesn't start at the end. He starts with a seed. In God's kingdom. The seed doesn't mean he starts small.

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But the seed is where he actually starts.

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The seed is not a quantity. But it is a place. It is a small place. And it's there in your spirit. As I speak to you right now.

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And it is right there in your spirit.

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Spiritual things always begin in your spirit. Because the spirit you have alive in Christ. It is through the spirit. Y es por medio del Spiritual You put to death the deeds of the body. But before you see the death of the deeds. For example, let's say the Lord gives you a vision. With a thousand soul revival in your city.

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And so you desperately begin to search the scriptures.

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But as you search the scriptures, you see more scriptures about your attitude than you do revival. So you have to work out your attitude. So you have to work out the peace of God. And it seems like the more you keep searching. What the Lord is doing with you. And he is walking with you, but it's in seed four.

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But if you continue to trust him through the process. Humble yourself before him.

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Soon that seed. We trust in Christ.

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And due to time, I'm only going to summarize and not quote the whole scripture says.

Ephesians And Relational Power

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There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. There are diversities of activities or operations, but it is the same God who works all in all.

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And I speak in more detail about this grace in my book. Now you already have grace. The gifts start in the form of grace.

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It starts as this grace in the heart. But it's supposed to result in the operation of God.

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The gifts are always supposed to remain as gifts. The gifts are to mature in operation. They are meant to be active. They are supposed to work.

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So he opens this little dialogue talking about all you gotta do is have Christ in your heart. Be in relationship with the king.

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Then verse 20.

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Which we preach all the time, Brother Johnson. We preach it as a standalone message. Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think according to the power that worketh in us. How many of us have preached this, taught this, quoted this as a standalone Apostle Paul statement? And then we're just frustrated, it's not working. Why is this not working? Because you're standing on one scripture and ignoring the one that's three verses ahead of it. That Christ may dwell in your hearts. The kingdom of God, we've said this a dozen times this year. The kingdom of God is not transactional, it's relational.

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You get Christ in your heart, and you will see exceeding abundantly above all. But until you walk with Christ.

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So you're trying to buy the kingdom.

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And you can't buy the kingdom.

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You got to love the Lord. You walk in the spirit. You love the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Nothing will grant you freedom, peace, and take you out of frustration faster than being in relationship with God.

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This is what it's all about.

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Loving God. Walking circumspectly before the Lord. Every great gift in the kingdom flows organically out of your relationship with your Father.

Prophetic Charge And Closing Announcements

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It's the motive of your prayers. So what that you fast if all you're trying to do is purchase the kingdom. If Christ dwells in me, there are no limitations. You can't buy the kingdom. But man, a relationship with Christ.

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But changes everything.

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God is about to use every one of you listeners in mighty ways. The seed He's already put in your spirit. I prophesy it's about to bear much fruit. If Christ dwell in your heart, every vision, every dream, every word, and every gift is about to multiply in you. And through you. Good measure pressed down. Shaking together and running over. You're about to see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the Dios in tubida. Oh, thank you, Pastor Johnson, for this word from God. Just a great word from God. We have two more podcasts today that we one starts at 2 30 in just a few moments. And then another podcast begins shortly thereafter this one. I think Sister Robinet and I finally get off of podcast at 9 p.m. tonight. And with Pastor Clay Jackson, who will be with us next Tuesday to continue the discussion on the five-fold ministry. God has given great gifts to his church in this hour. Please help us share and like this episode. And I do want to put here one more time in the chat the book of Pastor Johnson. You should get this immediately.

Resources, Book Links, And Reviews

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I put that in the chat just now. It's there, it's already on Facebook too. These are going to be such a blessing to you, your family, and to God's global church. And just one more small promo. If you all could just do me a favor. I put the link right in the chat. It's already there on Facebook as well. Just follow that link and scroll all the way down to the bottom and please leave a review for the book Smooth Sailing. So of course all the Apostolics know that there's a marriage book out there, and we thank God for that. So please just follow that link, leave a five-star review. It'll help us be more visible to the greater Christian community.